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Lesbian Transgender and genetics

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    I go to this other site and a question had been ask about transgender genetics. The main idea if I got it right is cismen in the womb didn't get enough estrogen and the brain as a result formed genetics of a female brain thereby the gender (genetics + environment) even though male by sex.

    http://sitn.hms.harvard.edu/flash/2016/gender-lines-science-transgender-identity/

    It's too long to summarize but the genetics part is near the middle. If you have time to read it through it's easier to understand the context than jumping unless you're familiar with genetic jargon, anywhere is good.

    So far reading this looks at transgender from a scientific perspective so it's not discrediting other identity factors involved.





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    It seems the link is not working...can you post the article if you can find it?
     
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    Thanks guys!
     
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    I just read the article, and found it very clear and simple for everyone to understand what transgender people really are. Really great for trans people to use when we want to make other people understand what we are.

    I have to read scientific papers for my job, and I know from experience that any cause of disorders that are labeled as psychological are rarely psychological, but they actually stem from either a large part genetic/other predisposed conditions and environmental (such as food habit/lifestyle. In transgender case, it's hormone in the womb of the mother).

    Transgenderism is not considered a mental illness or disorder anymore in DMS-5 (while dysphoria is and some say it's the same thing) and as the article states, and yet this trait had been treated as a mental illness for a very long time. Psychologists have been dragging down the scientific progress by claiming fairly unrelated and very wrong causes for many disorders for very long time, and they are still even today. Sex-determining genes are not just in X or Y, this means, we all share both (men/female) of the genes, and since the discovery of Foxl2 gene, we now know that human body can transform into opposite sex even for adults, and sex/gender is far complicated things than we thought they were.

    Human body is very very complicated, but our brains love to keep everything simple because that's how our brains are programmed to do, and there lies the problem of stereotyping and discrimination. I loved the article covering this part of problem as well.
     
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    Just read the article (and now I'm wishing I hadn't read the comments).
    In my opinion the "how and why" aren't all that important but it these studies help people having something to show when confronted with the unavoidable "you're mentally ill" comments, then all the better...the problem is that most people who say those things couldn't care less about scientific studies because "trans are ruining society"...
     
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    I guess for many Asexual/Agender people. it's rather uncomfortable thing to face these biological male/female characteristics even though the article is about the blurred border of the 2 sexes.

    For trans people, this is a majorly important matter, because we everyday feel discomforts to be in the body that is characterized as the opposite sex, and constantly wondering why we are feeling this way all the time. Many kids who have dysphoria even doubt their sanity for this and try their best to hide their struggles from everyone around them for the fear of being labeled as many things. These kinds of science papers can give answers to many questions we have and strengthen our rights to pursue our goals and treatments.
     
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    Don't know about that. If the brain characteristic in the fetus change due to the balance of hormones during pregnancy and that's what determines gender or sexuality then there's very likely a combination that produces agender and/or asexual people. If a combination produces blue and another produces pink there's no reason to believe those are the only 2 possible colours :) 
     
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    Yes, that's actually what I wanted to suggest. The part that identifies the gender identity can be formed other ways than regular male/female pattern as well. Also, the other sex determining genes might be working differently than those of binary people, possibly in brains of Asexual people. You might want to search for the papers on this topic if interested, there might already be great findings that we have no idea of about Asexual people.
     
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    I've read the article myself (and SOME.of the comments which were relatively reasonable) and found this fascinating. Growing up, I could always feel that something was wrong with me. I didn't even know the word transgender was a thing until my late 20s. Point is, I found it fascinating that trans men and women have similar brain structures to that of their cis counterparts. A very fascinating read. Even science is on our side. But good luck convincing society to accept us. That my friends is a long ass uphill battle.
     

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