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    Halloween:

    ♫♪♪♫ Those schoolgirl days of telling tales and biting nails are gone ♫♪♪♫


    No matter the outcome of the 2016 U.S Presidential election, even had Hillary or Bernie Sanders (who I voted for in the Primary) won, I was going to have a difficult time letting go of these past eight years. Letting go of Obama.

    ♫♪♪♫ But in my mind. I know they will still live on and on. ♫♪♪♫

    08 was the first Election year that I was old enough to vote. I voted for him. ---Though I did vote for Hillary in the 08 Primary.-- At the time I knew nothing about Obama, and even though I was not all that crazy about Hillary, even back then, I love/loved Bill Clinton, so she got my original vote.---

    ♫♪♪♫ But how do you thank someone, who has taken you from crayons to perfume?
    It isn't easy, but I'll try ♫♪♪♫


    But I am beyond words to express how thankful I am that he won.

    ♫♪♪♫ If you wanted the sky I would write across the sky in letters, That would soar a thousand feet high ♫♪♪♫

    Had Hilary or Bernie won 2016, if Elizabeth Warren wins 2020, and any future President I live to see; I believe I will only see them as the current 'Sitting-President.' Barack Hussein Obama will always remain my only President.

    ♫♪♪♫ To sir, with love ♫♪♪♫

    "A definitive list of everything Obama has done for the LGBT community"

    1. He named the first national monument to LGBT rights
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    Earlier this year Obama named the area and park surrounding Stonewall Inn in New York City as the first LGBT national monument. Stonewall Inn and the surrounding streets are the sites of the 1969 Stonewall uprising, which helped launch the modern gay liberation movement.

    “I’m designating the Stonewall National Monument as the newest addition to America’s national park system,” Obama said in a video released by the White House in June.

    “I believe our national parks should reflect the full story of our country – the richness and diversity and uniquely American spirit that has always defined us, that we are stronger together. That out of many, we are one.”


    2. When, under his leadership, the Supreme Court legalised gay marriage in all 50 states
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    “Progress on this journey often comes in small increments, sometimes two steps forward, one step back,” Obama said after the decision was announced in June 2015. “And then sometimes, there are days like this, when that slow, steady effort is rewarded with justice that arrives like a thunderbolt.”

    3. He made it a federal crime to assault an individual because of his or her sexual orientation or gender identity

    In October 2009, Obama signed in the Matthew Shepard and James Byrd, Jr. Hate Crimes Prevention Act. Named after Matthew Shepard, a gay teenager who was kidnapped and severely beaten to death in 1998 and James Byrd, Jr. who was dragged to death that same year.

    4. The U.S. Department of Education has hosted three summits specifically for LGBT teens
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    “Since President Obama took office in January 2009 he has led a commitment, shared by all those in his administration, to make sure that lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender Americans have a chance to reach their full potential,” Former Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius

    5. He made it so healthcare insurance companies could not discriminate depending on sexual orientation
    Obama signed in the Affordable Care Act in March 2010 which meant insurers can no longer turn someone away just because he or she is lesbian, gay, bisexual, or transgender.
    6. Obama released the first comprehensive National HIV/AIDS Strategy for the US
    In 2010, Obama’s administration laid out a plan to cut the annual number of new HIV infections in the United States by 25 percent over the next five years. His administration recently reviewed and renewed this plan in 2015 so it will go all the way to 2020.
    Approximately 1 in 5 affected U.S. citizens are unaware of their status so an update to the plan last year aimed to ‘increase the percentage of people living with HIV who know their serostatus to at least 90 percent’.



    7. He has supported legislative efforts to ban the use of ‘conversion therapy’

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    Obama released a Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration study which determined “variations in sexual orientation, gender identity, and gender expression are normal. Conversion therapy is not effective, reinforces harmful gender stereotypes, and is not an appropriate mental health treatment”.

    8. His administration opened the first national resource centre for older LGBT individuals

    Health and Human Services funded the centre opened in 2011 and aims to support the 1.5 to 4 million LGBT individuals who are 60 and older.


    9. Obama ended the military’s ‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell’ policy
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    In 2011, Obama ended the 17-year-old law which stated openly gay men and women and bisexuals could not serve in the U.S. military.

    “As of Sept. 20, service members will no longer be forced to hide who they are in order to serve our country,”


    10. His administration ordered all U.S. schools to allow transgender students access to the bathroom that matches their identity
    In response to the controversial ‘bathroom bill’, the bill that forces trans people to use bathrooms that correspond with gender on their birth certificate, put forward in North Carolina early this year, the Department of Justice issued a letter on the matter.
    “A school may provide separate facilities on the basis of sex, but must allow transgender students access to such facilities consistent with their gender identity,” the letter read.

    “A school may not require transgender students to use facilities inconsistent with their gender identity or to use individual-user facilities when other students are not required to do so.”


    11. Obama brought back Pride Month
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    Although Bill Clinton held the very first LGBT Pride Month back in 2000, it disappeared soon after. Since Obama was elected, he has held a Pride Month every year he’s been in office. Coinciding with the Pride Parades held in June to commemorate the Stonewall riots of ’69, Pride Month is a month-long celebration of LGBT individuals.He said at the beginning of the 2011 summit.


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    Some of the lists was mentioned in the above article, but I'm still keeping them in this article.

    Besides, it's all worth mentioning multiple times. xoxoxo


    19 ways Barack Obama changed the world on LGBT rights[​IMG]


    With Barack Obama coming to the end of his Presidency, it’s easy to forget the incredible number of ways the Democrat flipped the conversation on LGBT rights in just eight years.

    Ending the Republican-dominated Bush era of politics which saw LGBT people pushed to the margins, across eight years the Democrat has changed the paradigm again and again, often in spite of a hostlie Congress

    As the end of his Presidency approaches, we take a look back at his range of achievements, which undoubtedly make him the most progressive LGBT ally to ever hold the office of President.

    1. Signing a federal hate crime law


    The 1998 homophobic murder of gay Wyoming resident Matt Shepard sparked national and international outcry.


    Though Me Shepard was murdered for being gay, no hate crime charge could be brought, as state law did not ban hate crimes based on sexual orientation or gender identity.

    The case led Matthew’s parents Judy and Dennis Shepard to set up the Matthew Shepard Foundation, campaigning for protections in their son’s memory.

    It was not until President Obama took office in 2009 that the Matthew Shepard and James Byrd Jr Hate Crimes Prevention Act, named in honour of both Shepard and an African-American murdered by white supremacists, was finally made law.

    The Hate Crimes Prevention Act was signed into law by President Barack Obama in October 2009, added federal-level hate crime protections for crimes based on gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, or disability.

    Under the law, people who commit hate crimes anywhere in the US can face a federal charge, even if their state has no hate crime law.

    2. Overturning ‘Don’t Ask Don’t Tell’

    Signed into law by Bill Clinton in 1993, Don’t Ask Don’t Tell was a poor compromise intended to prohibit military personnel from ‘hunting’ and discriminating against gay soldiers, but also made it an offence to be openly gay in the military. The law, which saw hundreds of soldiers sacked for being gay, was defended by George W Bush’s administration.

    In spite of protests from military officials, President Obama signed the Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell Repeal Act of 2010, permitting gay, lesbian and bisexual people to serve openly in the military for the first time.

    3. Appointing a string of openly LGBT ambassadors and officials

    Prior to the Obama Presidency, there were no openly gay ambassadors, and very few senior government officials who identified as LGBT.


    Democratic President Barack Obama has sought to counter the lack of representation by appointing a string of gay ambassadors to represent the US around the world.

    Among gay ambassadors appointed by President Obama are Ted Osius (Vietnam), Rufus Gifford (Denmark), John Berry (Australia), Daniel Baer (Austria), James Costos (Spain), and Wally Brewster (Dominican Republic).

    Under his Presidency, LGBT people have also taken leading roles in the White House, from US Chief Technology Officer Megan Smith to public engagement official Monique Dorsainvil. He also appointed a trans woman, Raffi Freedman-Gurspan as the top liaison to the LGBT community.

    4. Defending the rights of LGBT people fleeing persecution

    In 2011, President Obama issued a memorandum instructing government agencies for the first time to consider gay rights when deciding aid and asylum cases, to combat criminalization, protect vulnerable LGBT refugees and asylum seekers.

    His administration affirmed: “The struggle to end discrimination against lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) persons is a global challenge, and one that is central to the United States commitment to promoting human rights.

    “I am deeply concerned by the violence and discrimination targeting LGBT persons around the world whether it is passing laws that criminalize LGBT status, beating citizens simply for joining peaceful LGBT pride celebrations, or killing men, women, and children for their perceived sexual orientation.

    “Under my Administration, agencies engaged abroad have already begun taking action to promote the fundamental human rights of LGBT persons everywhere. Our deep commitment to advancing the human rights of all people is strengthened when we as the United States bring our tools to bear to vigorously advance this goal.”

    5. Overseeing a State Department that defends equality around the world

    Under President Obama’s two successive Secretaries of State, Hillary Clinton and John Kerry, the US has pursued a policy of reform on LGBT issues around the world, actively lobbying countries to repeal anti-LGBT laws and respect LGBT rights globally,.


    His two successive UN Ambassadors Susan Rice and Samantha Power, have also battled for recognition on LGBT rights globally in the United Nations.

    In a landmark 2011 speech to the UN representing the US government, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton told world leaders: “Gay people are born into and belong to every society in the world.

    “They are all ages, all races, all faiths, they are doctors and teachers, farmers and bankers, soldiers and athletes.

    “Whether we know it, whether we acknowledge it, they are our family, our friends and our neighbours.

    “Being gay is not a western invention, it is a human reality.”

    6. Ensuring healthcare coverage doesn’t discriminate against LGBT people or people with HIV

    Signed into law in 2010, the Affordable Care Act revolutionised the approach to healthcare in the US, and provided new protections for LGBT people.

    The ACA allowed many gay and lesbian families the chance to recieve a family insurance plan for the first time, under provisions recognising same-sex unions.

    The Act made it far easier for people living with HIV/AIDS to get coverage, through the Pre-Existing Condition Insurance Plans, tackling discrimination in the healthcare system against people who are HIV positive.

    7. Helping bring down the Defense of Marriage Act

    The 1996 law, known as DOMA defined marriage for federal purposes as the union of one man and one woman – barring same-sex married couples from being recognised as “spouses” for purposes of federal laws.


    The law was partly thrown out in 2013 case United States v Windsor, when the Supreme Court justices ruled the law unconstitutional under the Due Process Clause of the Fifth Amendment.

    The case was granted a massive boost by the decision of the Obama administration, arguing on behalf of the United States, to take the position that DOMA was unconstitutional.

    Obama’s Supreme Court picks, Elena Kagan and Sonia Sotomayor, tipped the 5-4 split ruling in favour of LGBT rights.

    8. Banning anti-LGBT discrimination among federal contractors

    Across his Presidency, Obama has consistently backed the proposed Employment Non-Discrimination Act and Equality Act, Democratic bills that would have outlawed discrimination on the grounds of sexual orientation and gender identity in all 50 states.

    However, as a hostile Republican majority have prevented the bills from becoming law, in 2014 Obama took the issue into his own hands, using his executive powers to provide the most protections he could.

    The order prohibits discrimination based on sexual orientation and gender identity by all federal contractors, providing crucial protections for the first time not only to government employees, but to those working in companies with federal contracts.

    9. Helping bring about equal marriage

    The Obama administration consistently fielded amicus briefs against bans on same-sex marriage, providing invaluable support for equality activists challenges their state governments.

    As the issue reached the Supreme Court, Obama’s Attorney General Eric Holder filed a brief arguing for the court to rule that same-sex marriage is a constitutional right.

    After the ruling in June 2015, the President said: “The Supreme Court recognised that the Constitution guarantees marriage equality.

    “In doing so, they’ve reaffirmed that all Americans are entitled to the equal protection of the law. That all people should be treated equally, regardless of who they are or who they love.

    “This decision will end the patchwork system we currently have. It will end the uncertainty hundreds of thousands of same-sex couples face from not knowing whether their marriage, legitimate in the eyes of one state, will remain if they decide to move [to] or even visit another.

    “This ruling will strengthen all of our communities by offering to all loving same-sex couples the dignity of marriage across this great land.”

    10. Lighting up the White House as a symbol of Pride

    In what may become one of the defining symbols of his Presidency, the leader ordered the White House to be lit up in rainbow colours in celebration of the equal marriage ruling.

    Announcing the move, he affirmed: “Today, we can say in no uncertain terms that we’ve made our union a little more perfect.“

    11. Appointing an LGBT rights envoy

    In 2015, the President created the role US Special Envoy for the Human Rights of LGBTI Persons, appointing gay diplomat Randy Berry to the role to allow him to dedicate his time to fighting anti-LGBT legislation around the world.

    Berry has dived into the role head-first, making contacts across the world in order to try and further the cause of LGBT rights.

    The envoy told PinkNews: “Just by being able to have those conversations, to very consistently have an ability to project those talking points and we’ve seen great receptivity.

    12. Challenging anti-gay world leaders to their face

    Speaking on a trip to Africa, the President warned Kenyan leader Uhuru Kenyatta that gay people must be treated equally under the law in a joint press conference.


    In front of the world media, Obama told the leader to his face: “I believe in the principle of treating people equally under the law, and that they are deserving of equal protection under the law, and the state should not discriminate against people based on their sexual orientation

    “I say that recognising that there may be people with different religious or cultural beliefs – but the question is how does the state operate, relative to people?

    “If you look at the history of countries around the world, when you start treating differently because they’re different, that’s the path whereby freedoms begin to erode and bad things happen.”

    “When a government gets in the habit of treating people differently, those habits can spread. As an African-American in the United States, I am painfully aware of the history of what happens when people are treated differently under the law.”


    13. Holding countless White House LGBT receptions

    The President has shown he is unafraid to personally engage with activists on any number of issues, from equal marriage to transgender equality.

    Most recently he held a transgender movie night at the White House, screening The Danish Girl and an episode of Transparent to an audience of trans activists.

    The event was part of the ‘White House LGBT Artists Champions of Change’ series – a programme recognising the achievements of activists on a range of issues.

    14. Never forgetting to mark Pride Month and World AIDS Day

    The President has issued annual proclamations celebrating both June’s Pride season and December 1 as World AIDS Day.

    In his final proclamation this year, he said: “Our commitment to combatting discrimination against the LGBT community does not stop at our borders: Advancing the fair treatment of all people has long been a cornerstone of American diplomacy, and we have made defending and promoting the human rights of LGBT individuals a priority in our engagement across the globe.

    “In line with America’s commitment to the notion that all people should be treated fairly and with respect, champions of this cause at home and abroad are upholding the simple truth that LGBT rights are human rights.”

    15. Issuing a directive to protect transgender students

    Obama acted to defend transgender students in schools from a Republican-backed ‘bathroom war’.

    Under his orders the federal government wrote to every school in the nation on the issue, advising educators to take steps to ensure trans students are catered for and not discriminated against.

    The letter affirms: “When a school provides sex-segregated activities and facilities, transgender students must be allowed to participate in such activities and access such facilities consistent with their gender identity.”

    16. Leading a nation in mourning after the Pulse tragedy.

    Not everything that has happened to LGBT people under the Obama Presidency has been positive, and the slaughter of 50 people in an Orlando gay bar will stand as one of the darkest events in our recent history.


    The President led the nation with dignity and composure following the attack, spending time in Orlando to visit survivors, emergency workers, and the families of victims.

    Speaking in Orlando he said: “This was an attack on the LGBT community. Americans were targeted because we’re a country that has learned to welcome everyone, no matter who you are or who you love. And hatred towards people because of sexual orientation, regardless of where it comes from, is a betrayal of what’s best in us.

    “Joe [Biden] and I were talking on the way over here — you can’t make up the world into ‘us’ and ‘them’, and denigrate and express hatred towards groups because of the color of their skin, or their faith, or their sexual orientation, and not feed something very dangerous in this world.

    “So if there was ever a moment for all of us to reflect and reaffirm our most basic beliefs that everybody counts and everybody has dignity, now is the time. It’s a good time for all of us to reflect on how we treat each other, and to insist on respect and equality for every human being.

    17. Naming the first every openly gay head of the Army

    The President nominated accomplished Defence worker Eric Fanning to become the 22nd Secretary of the Army, just six years after out soldiers were welcomed for the first time.

    Fanning has more than a decade of experience, holding Army, Navy, and Air Force positions in the Department of Defence, serving in a number of high-ranking roles before his current high-profile assignment.

    Barack Obama said of Mr Fanning previously: “Eric brings many years of proven experience and exceptional leadership to this new role.

    “I am grateful for his commitment to our men and women in uniform, and I am confident he will help lead America’s Soldiers with distinction.

    18. Making the Stonewall Inn a national monument

    Earlier this year, Obama designated New York’s iconic Stonewall Inn as a national monument.

    The gay bar and the surrounding streets are the sites of the 1969 Stonewall uprising, which is often considered the birthplace of the modern gay rights movement.

    The President explained: “I’m designating the Stonewall National Monument as the newest addition to America’s national park system.

    “I believe our national parks should reflect the full story of our country – the richness and diversity and uniquely American spirit that has always defined us, that we are stronger together. That out of many, we are one.”

    19. Recognising Ellen DeGeneres with a Congressional Medal of Freedom

    In one of his last acts as President, Barack Obama chose to recognise out TV host and LGBT campaigner Ellen DeGeneres, presenting her an award in a special ceremony at the White House.

    President Obama spoke of how her decision to come out and to be a role model for LGBT Americans had initially harmed her career, calling for people to recognise her convictions.

    He said: “It’s easy to forget now, when we’ve come so far, where now marriage is equal under the law, just how much courage was required for Ellen to come out on the most public of stages almost 20 years ago.

    “Just how important it was, not just to the LGBT community, but for all of us to see somebody so full of kindness and light, somebody we liked so much, somebody who could be our neighbor, or our colleague, or our sister, challenge our own assumptions.”

    http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2016/12/29/19-ways-barack-obama-changed-the-world-on-lgbt-rights/
     
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    "6 Stages of Grief in the Last Days of Obama"

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    "As we count down the last few weeks of the Obama presidency, many of us feel anxiety, fear or wistfulness about the prospect of living life without Michelle and Barack in the White House. To help you get through this process, we present to you “The 6 Stages of Grief Over the Obamas Leaving the White House.”

    1. Shock and Denial


    What? Barack and Michelle only have a month left in office? No! I still haven’t bought them a housewarming gift. I went to the White House and didn’t see a picture of Jesus having dinner with Martin, Malcolm, Tupac, Biggie and Harriet Tubman, so I was going to get a print for them to hang in the Lincoln Bedroom. Where did the time go? It seems like only yesterday, Republicans and conservatives were screaming, “Not my president” and vowing to obstruct the new commander in chief at every turn, and a scant eight years later, they’re calling it unpatriotic and hateful! Man, time really flies when you’re stabilizing the global economy, rebounding from the worst recession since the Great Depression, providing affordable health care to the entire country and killing the most wanted man on the planet!

    And what the hell are we supposed to do without Michelle? We’re supposed to just go all willy-nilly from an Ivy League-educated barrister to an Eastern European plagiarist whose facial expression always looks like she’s struggling to solve the Soul Train scramble board? That’s not fair to the American people. As a matter of fact, I think your math might be off a little bit. I swear it can’t be eight years already. Are you sure you counted all the days? Leap years, too? I don’t believe you. I’m gonna double-check.


    2. Pain and Guilt
    Yeah, you were right. It has been a whole eight years. I can’t believe this is happening. Barack and Michelle are really leaving. The White House chef is packing up the Lawry’s seasoned salt and everything! This hurts too much. The uncertainty is giving me the bubble guts.

    I feel like this is all my fault. I think we all took the Obamas for granted. Maybe we just assumed our next president would know that “bigly” wasn’t a word and that “Two Corinthians” is a couple of Greeks, but not a book of the Bible. Do you think Melania knows how to Dougie? You think Trump knows any Al Green songs or has any idea what “Hotline Bling” is? (Although I’m willing to bet there was at least one blond-haired white boy on his boarding school rowing team named “Drake.”) We didn’t appreciate them when we had them, and now that Michelle and Barack are almost gone, what are we to do?


    3. Anger


    No, I’m not mad.

    OK, maybe I’m a little upset.

    You know what, America? You’re damn right I’m mad! Most of all, I’m disappointed in all the white people. Now that you are faced with the prospect of returning to the era of dim-witted white men leading our country, you want to ask for a mulligan and change the Electoral College. Now, that’s white privilege! Maybe you didn’t know this, but ain’t no do-overs in the Constitution, bih! You screwed up royally! It was just eight years ago when we had a leader who achieved all of his success because of his daddy, and an evil, white-haired vice president running everything behind the scenes! You wanna go back to that?

    And I have to blame some of this on Barack Obama, too! He’s been president for eight years. He saw the political and economic morass he inherited and he knew these other pea-brained, privileged politicians had neither the intellectual heft nor the perseverance to lead this nation. He knows how fragile white people are. Donald Trump probably hasn’t sat on a toilet that wasn’t gold-plated since he was a toddler (when he had a platinum training potty), and Hillary Clinton fainted after spending an entire day sitting down. Sitting down! Do you know how many times President Obama probably had pneumonia these past eight years?

    None. Because he had s–t to do.

    Yet during these last eight years, Obama didn’t see fit to gather some of the best quantum physicists, theoretical engineers and molecular scientists to create a time machine that would allow him to go back to the past and clone himself. The fact that our next president and first lady aren’t named Darack and Rochelle Obama is a travesty, and I’m placing all of the upcoming failures of the Trump administration (of which there will be many) squarely on the shoulders of Barack Obama’s poor, non-time-machine agenda.

    I’m sorry. I know it isn’t his fault. Maybe I’m a little too emotional right now.


    4. Bargaining


    Maybe we can make a deal. Can Barack and Michelle get an extension? If Barack Obama has been subject to every conceivable racist stereotype during the last eight years, why must his term end now? Why can’t his presidency end on C.P. Time? Maybe Barack can just delay the Trump inauguration. I bet we can extend Barack and Michelle’s stay at least a couple of months if they keep sending Donald texts that say, “Almost there. Pulling up.”

    Wait, I know. Here’s a plan:

    Barack and Michelle can go back to the White House, ring the doorbell and, when Melania answers, tell her that they left their hot sauce, their Quran or some other b.s. white people believe black people can’t live without. When they let the Obamas in, Barack just grabs Trump’s phone and tweets, “I quit.” Apparently—according to the lazy, new-millennium mainstream media—Trump’s tweet’s are legally binding statements that rank somewhere between the Declaration of Independence and the red words in the New Testament. I bet it would work, because the fact-checking process in most media sources consists of someone reading over social media, shrugging their shoulders and mouthing the universal declaration of editorial journalistic integrity:

    “Seems legit.”


    5. Depression

    As the end of the Obama presidency draws closer, each day gets tougher. Every morning I wake up wondering if this is the last day I’ll have health care. Every night I go to sleep knowing this may be my last because Donald Trump may wake up in the middle of the night and tweet something that leads to World War III.

    I already miss the Obamas so much. Sasha and Malia feel like a part of my family. Am I going to get to see my little cousins again? In my head, Sasha was always starting something and blaming it on Malia. I bet she tattled on Malia all the time, too. And just like the stronger, older sibling, Malia took it because she loved her little Sasha—even if she could be a little aggravating. See how I created that entire scenario in my head from nothing but press photos and imagination?

    That’s because for eight years, the Obamas allowed black people to dream. It wasn’t just about what Barack and Michelle accomplished that made them great. It was about what they represented. For every year of America’s existence, until a few years ago, the idea of a black president was—at most—a good, but too-outrageous-to-consider premise. It was for comedy sketches and science fiction movies. Then came the Obamas. An unblemished black man with a charming and successful black wife and a beautiful black family. They were an unbelievable possibility that actually came true and made us think anything was achievable.

    And now they’re leaving.


    6. Acceptance

    In a few weeks, the Obama portion of American history will come to an end. We think we are prepared. We are not.

    Maybe Barack Obama will go down as the first black president. Even though the country seems intent on regression, maybe America will progress. Maybe the wall of presidential portraits will one day be more diverse than 42 white men and that one black dude. Or maybe this is a moment in time we were fortunate to have witnessed.

    http://www.theroot.com/articles/politics/2016/12/6-stages-of-grief-in-the-last-days-of-obama/

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    Even tho acceptance is the last stage...I think it hurts the most.

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    That's all well and good, but aside from being nice to LGBT people, I can't think of anything positive to say about him.

    He has exacerbated problems in the Middle East, institutionalised government snooping and continues to cause tension between Russia, Europe and the USA.

    He may be pro LGBT, but in the grand scheme of things, that is politically insignificant.

    I look forward to a more cooperative relationship for the USA and Russia between Trump and Putin.
     
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    Wow. See, when people casually dismiss Obama's achievements, and already assume that idiotic and unqualified disaster Trump will do any better, I can really only, logically, boil it down to one thing: internalized racism.

    Even allowing for his mistakes, some of them admittedly grave (re the Middle East) I find it difficult to believe that you can't think of anything positive to say about Obama?

    I genuinely cannot think of a single positive thing to say about Trump. Go figure.
     
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    Well, I am not a racist. That kind of nonsense insult hurling is exactly what causes bitterness from my crowd towards the Democrats and socialists. It is frustrating that you take such a shallow, simplistic view towards my different political opinions. Surely as an educated person you can do better than to call me a racist just for disagreeing with you? However, 90% of the time, people cannot.

    I understand where you're coming from though. Calling me a racist works, because it gives you the instant satisfaction of having the moral high ground without understanding my reasons for the way I think and feel.

    His attitude towards Britain RE Brexit was idiotic. He was being petty. He and the rest of the Democrats represent nothing more than big government propped up by big business. They feed us propaganda. They meddle in the rest of the world bringing US globalisation to countries that didn't want or ask for it.

    Hillary would have been much worse of course. Her dealings with the Saudi Government and her involvement in foreign affairs has been an iconic symbol of everything wrong with western politics. God only knows how bad the world would have become with her in power.

    But we can ignore all this because they made the Tumblr nut jobs with their goals of a genderless society happy.

    You say you have nothing positive to say about Trump. He isn't even president yet, but there has been a non stop campaign to discredit him. It is honestly absurd.

    He is easing tensions with Russia. He is pledging to end US globalisation. He is not propped up by the evil Saudi government. He wants to end lobbying. I can think of many positives that will come of his presidency. Whether you like him or not is politically irrelevant. Frankly I am bored of people levelling personal insults towards him, when his acumen as a business person and self made millionaire is something very positive. Let us see before we judge.


    I think Obama is an okay guy. But politically he is a "douchebag". Having nothing positive to say about a man who wanted to economically cripple my country does not make me a racist.

    I don't support Trump because he is a nasty cruel man, with sexist attitudes and a tendency to say what he likes without considering people's sensitivities. I support him because he offers an alternative to all the stinking corruption that has afflicted the west for years.

    I hate that corruption more than I hate a man who hurt a few feelings, which is why I wasn't hypnotised by Clinton's patronising feminist rhetoric.
     
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    I know how easy it would be to assume that my insinuation that you have internalized racial prejudices is just an easy low blow, but it is precisely my educated standpoint that allows me to make such assumptions.

    You're probably a decent person and wouldn't want to be thought of as racist cause it's a bad thing to be. But let me put it this way.

    Donald Trump is a terrible, terrible person. A liar, a con artist. A sexual predator. A bully. A misogynist. A racist. A bigot. A manipulative narcissist. Shallow. Petty. Thin skinned. Superficial. Uneducated. Self obsessed. Grossly incompetent and unqualified.

    Yet somehow all that is discounted, it doesn't matter, because he's a refreshing change. If he was all those things, and wasn't a white billionaire, would anyone give him the time of day?

    Obama, although he is not perfect by any means, is a dignified, experienced and highly educated man of integrity. He served his time scandal free; created thousands of jobs, initiated revolutionary health care reform, championed equality... I could go on.... and all that is dismissed and is politically insignificant. And you want me to believe that has nothing to do with the fact that he is black?

    Fuck off.
     
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    DinoMom

    Yeah, it's hard for me to take anything you say seriously, considering I still remember your umm.."animal" thread on the notathoughtgiven forum.

    I'm the reason your thread was removed. Told the owner of the site, that if it was going to be an LGBTZ discussion forum, I was out.


    If anyone else would like to criticizes my President, do so, so that I can jump in on this debate.
     
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    I don't really know all the stuff he messed up on but I'll definitely miss him for his contributions to the LGBT community..one of the big things is definitely making same sex marriage legal in all states..I was so happy when the law was passed..I remember my brother sent me a screen shot of a news report talking about it and I lit up in joy:oldskool-dance2: ..a lot of people like to look into the negative things he did but I just like to see the positive tbh :/..
     
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    Obama was good for LGBT rights, yes. Of course I am very thankful for that. DinoMom is right in saying that outside of that, he didn't do much good, though. I also think it is incredibly angering that people accuse anyone who disagrees with Obama on something, of being a racist, like cplolo had done. I mean COME ON.

    I remember when I was in school when I was like 8 years old and kids where saying whom ever voted for McCain was a 'racist' too. It doesn't make sense. Would it be racist to not agree with a Black guy that wants to murder LGBT people, too? Disagreement is disagreement. We can disagree with Black people. That's okay. That's not racism. Please learn the actual definition of racism.

    Outside of social issues, and, even on social issues, it is hard for me to like him. I mean yes, I am an LGBT person, but I am also a Christian, and I live with my Christian parents, and I have been trying to balance my being LGBT with being a Christian forever. This has lead me to some interesting positions on social issues. For example, I support Civil Unions for Same-Sex couples, but I don't think it should be called Marriage - I also don't support Abortions. I like that Obama came down hard on hate crimes against LGBTs and also made it impossible to discriminate against us in employment. However, his legalization of Same-Sex Marriage was a bit angering, I would wish it would not be called Marriage. I don't think that is self-loathing, self-loathing would be supporting those BS conversion therapies or wanting to commit suicide..that reminds me, good on Barack for taking a stand against that conversion therapy stuff.

    So, as you can see, I DO agree with him on things, but not on others. If you can put yourself into my shoes, trying to balance being LGBT with being Christian, you really cannot support him on EVERYTHING as maybe you could do if you were an Atheist that didn't think at all of the Bible.

    As for Economics, Obamacare is bad. It needs to be replaced with a free market alternative. That means ensuring healthcare for everyone, but doing it in a way so that there can still be competition. Obamacare is a true disaster, though it did do good things for LGBT people, which I like, it still raised everyones rates and Obama die lie about people being able to keep their plans. My mother isn't even rich enough (or, poor enough, I guess) to be on Obamacare. So I am against it.

    Above all, it is Obama's obvious Secularism that puts me, and my family, off. I don't like Donald Trump, but my family likes him and that makes sense because they are Conservatives. I can just say I don't really like either of them (Obama or Trump). I am thankful for the things Obama has done, that I can agree with. Let's just put it that way. I still think he has done bad, as well, that I could never as a Christian agree with.
     
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    First, what's "LGBTZ?" I have never heard of the "Z" before...

    Second, I will personally miss Obama when looking over the horizon and seeing a world of blonde toupees and tangerine skin. Many criticize Obama for various reasons with some having merit and the others being born of bias. The way I see it, he did what he could to help people and bring equal rights to the U.S.

    The only thing I have against him is the same as any other president. Mainly, the preservation of capitalism.
     
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    Would someone please enlighten me as to what that Z stands for.

    Different I think I already explained my view about internalized racism and stand by it.

    Tell me again how a white, three times divorced billionaire gun advocate who brags about sexual harassment better represents Jesus's message than a socialist who champions equality.

    Fucking Americans are so dumb. SO dumb. I don't have the energy for it today.
     
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    UGH

    I SAID I DIDN'T LIKE TRUMP

    that doesn't mean I have to be drooling over Obama.

    By the way, 'they let you' implies consent. Not justifying what he did (even he seems ashamed of it) but the idea that it was unwarranted is discredited by that.

    Also, what is wrong with being an advocate for the 2nd Amendment? Crime goes down when people have guns, because then people are less likely to attack you, if they think you have a gun. It is called self defense.
     
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    I can acknowledge that Donald Trump has seen a fair deal of scandal, but until I see him as president I won't be able to judge his ability.

    Clinton on the other hand has proven herself to be wicked, incompetent and a danger to world peace. Which is why I support Trump over her.

    As for Obama, I am sure if I had benefited from any of his measures I would think differently of him. Frankly, championing job creation and health care is not politically ground breaking for a British person. His desire to punish Britain for leaving the EU by excluding us from trade deals confirmed my opinion that he is petty and vindictive (Trump on the other hand is encouraging trade and cooperation with the UK)

    And look, stop bringing up his skin colour to make yourself feel better. It means nothing to me and I won't lower myself to it.

    I don't know what this has to do with anything, so I'd be careful before you make yourself look like an idiot.
     
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    It has everything to do with everything. I really need to know what that Z stands for before I waste any more time assuming I'm having a discussion with a rational, sane human being
     
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    ...I think the point of this was just to say that we're thankful for what one man did to evolve the rights of American citizens. Our government is not controlled by one person, and we can't blame one person for everything in our government.
     
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    In Different's defense, she did say she doesn't like Trump. Luckily in life only the stupidest actions seem most prominent, that doesn't mean that's all there is.
    --- Double Post Merged, Jan 11, 2017 ---
    I fear that may come across as me calling anyone here stupid. But I was definitely not referring to anyone here.
     
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    It stands for Zoophilia I assume, which is what Halloween is no doubt trying to subtly accuse me of in order to discredit me without making a relevant point.

    Are you holding yourself up as a paragon of sanity and rational thought? That's a laugh. Your only point so far has been to call me a racist without any proof (no, being educated isn't proof), and to swear and be angry at me for having a different opinion.

    I thought better of you than to make a political debate so personal.

    You know, the socialists used to say "you're not a woman if you vote conservative".

    These days it's "you're not queer if you support Trump".
     
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    Can't get multi-quote to work, so doing it the long way.
    Your text in black my responce in orange.

    QUOTE:
    "Obama was good for LGBT rights, yes. Of course I am very thankful for that. DinoMom is right in saying that outside of that, he didn't do much good, though. I also think it is incredibly angering that people accuse anyone who disagrees with Obama on something, of being a racist, like cplolo had done. I mean COME ON."

    I did not read Dino statements, so I can't really comment on that.

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    "I remember when I was in school when I was like 8 years old and kids where saying whom ever voted for McCain was a 'racist' too. It doesn't make sense. Would it be racist to not agree with a Black guy that wants to murder LGBT people, too? Disagreement is disagreement. We can disagree with Black people. That's okay. That's not racism. Please learn the actual definition of racism."


    I would not say it makes they them all "racist" necessarily, but it does make them less sympathetic to racial issues. It's the same way when a Conservative person says they support LGBT-Equality, but they still vote for a candidate who vows to do everything in their power to stop LGBT-Equality.

    Instead of "support" they should say "I don't mind it" because if they SUPPORTED it, they would not vote for anyone who promises to take equality back in time for anyone.

    QUOTE:
    "Outside of social issues, and, even on social issues, it is hard for me to like him. I mean yes, I am an LGBT person, but I am also a Christian, and I live with my Christian parents, and I have been trying to balance my being LGBT with being a Christian forever. This has lead me to some interesting positions on social issues. For example, I support Civil Unions for Same-Sex couples, but I don't think it should be called Marriage - I also don't support Abortions. I like that Obama came down hard on hate crimes against LGBTs and also made it impossible to discriminate against us in employment. However, his legalization of Same-Sex Marriage was a bit angering, I would wish it would not be called Marriage. I don't think that is self-loathing, self-loathing would be supporting those BS conversion therapies or wanting to commit suicide..that reminds me, good on Barack for taking a stand against that conversion therapy stuff."


    I...wow..
    I don't know even know how to approach that.

    Basically you don't like him, because your family does not like him, and you want your family to like you.

    Your situation is sad, and I disagree with your reasoning. But it is your life, your safety and family security on the line, so I can understand it...kind of..I least can not argue against it.

    I hope you the best.



    QUOTE:
    "As for Economics, Obamacare is bad. It needs to be replaced with a free market alternative. That means ensuring healthcare for everyone, but doing it in a way so that there can still be competition. Obamacare is a true disaster, though it did do good things for LGBT people, which I like, it still raised everyones rates and Obama die lie about people being able to keep their plans. My mother isn't even rich enough (or, poor enough, I guess) to be on Obamacare. So I am against it".


    I think you and have have a different definition of the word "disaster." Under Obamacare over 16 million who were unable to afford insurance, are now covered.
    My definition of "disaster" was the state America was in, BEFORE Obamacare.

    As for your mother, there is no such as thing as being too "rich enough (or, poor enough, I guess) to be on Obamacare"

    There is such a thing, as not signing up.

    My own Affordable Care Act thank you Obama story:
    I donated a kidney to my mother. The hospital had to make sure I fully understood the risk, that with only one kidney it could cause trouble for me getting future medical-insurance because it could be considered a Pre-existing Condition. I said I understood, and that I would worry and deal with that when/if the day came.
    Then ObamaCare passed, and Pre-existing Condition and decent medical insurance, was no longer anything I would have to worry about.


    QUOTE:
    "Above all, it is Obama's obvious Secularism that puts me, and my family, off. I don't like Donald Trump, but my family likes him and that makes sense because they are Conservatives. I can just say I don't really like either of them (Obama or Trump). I am thankful for the things Obama has done, that I can agree with. Let's just put it that way. I still think he has done bad, as well, that I could never as a Christian agree with".

    Keep in mind, when it comes to "gay marriage" and "abortion" all he did was sign policies to make it so people who did want them, could get them.
    I think Christians have a very hard time living in America "The Land Of The Free" because "Freedom" is an unfamiliar concept to them. Religious people tend to want less freedom, less choices.

    I won't apologizes for us not living in a Religious Dictatorship.
     

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