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  1. unfxcused
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    So, here in America the 2020 race to the presidency is hotter than ever - 18 Democrats and a few Republicans, as well as some third party candidates, are fighting for a chance to appear on the national stage. Both of the major parties have been facing a rift, between the Progressives and the Moderates on the Democratic side and the Moderates an the God-Knows-What-You-Even-Call-It, Trump-loyalists on the Republican side.

    So, what are your thoughts on how the race is developing? Who do you currently support? Is there anybody else you'd like to see run?
     
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    As an outsider to the US im gonna state my thoughts which might get me some hate on this forum but they are more thoughts. I hate the democrats. Hate them with a passion. They are the reason trump is doing well and they are the reason he might win 2020 because they can't pull their stuff together and actually focus on putting foward a cogent campaign. All they have done so far is hound after trump in fruitless attempts to oust him which have resulted in nothing and they don't have a single strong candidate among them. Some like warren or berny but they are not strong and they continue to fight among themselves instead of unifying and going head to head with trump which is what it would take to oust him. Constantly wasting the publics tax going on ghost hunts is NOT cutting it. Not that i like the republicans anyway and I would still vote dem but i think at this moment in time they are in danger of handing trump 2020 on a silver platter I have seen a lot of posts on this forum that praise the impeachment push but honestly it is a TOTAL carcrash and is just turning the dems into more and more of a laughing stock.
     
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    You just saved me a whole lot of typing. I think the average European (don't have much contact with people outside Europe) looks at the US 2020 election campaign and thinks "wtf is going on there?". I'll be honest, I've seen more productive "debates" at my local fish market...
    I don't get the system as a whole...candidates focus less on what they're going to do than they do on what their opponent promised and cannot deliver. It's petty and frustrating.
     
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    I agree wholeheartedly if the dems just pulled their sh** together and united behind one candidate i can almost guarentee trump would lose 2020 he is in a shaky enough position as it is with his approvals but dems just can't seem to do that, they are constantly squabbling amongst themselves like children and pouring all of their resources on this impeachment sham have you guys seen how patehtic some of the supposed witnesses are? " i heard it from a guy that overheard another guy who heard trump saying something bad" literally boils down to that in some cases. ... like really? it really really grinds my gears. Sorry to rant this probably wasn't the solidarity or positivity you were hoping for op but honestly i could not be more dissapointed in the democrats.
     
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    The problem is that the impeachment is just the democrats playing with themselves since it won't matter anyway because the Senate...well, because the Senate is the Senate...
    I've said this in another post...doesn't really matter what you say as a candidate, as long as you add the words "God", "freedom" and "constitution". Then it's an automatic standing ovation. The content of the message is largely unimportant and I feel sad seeing it because I think the average American is better than that.
     
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    there are no two things that go together better than democrats and totally useless infighting
     
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    I don't live in America. I used to follow all the politics there (I follow the american politics but not in my own country) but I haven't really paid too much attention this time around. I'm so busy with everything else in my life but I'm very sure when the time is near for the election I will be paying attention. Because who becomes president in America has such an impact on the rest of the world. Sorry to say if they elect Trump again I give up hope in America and the american people.

    I do understand the "good" things he stands for but you just don't elect racists.
     
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    They have done nothing but attack Trump. It would have been better to let him self-destruct with his big mouth and incessant tweeting. I'll probably still vote for whomever they choose, though.
     
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    Now the democratic candidates are down to roughly 15 now. Kamala Harris dropped out, so did Steve Bullock, and some other guy I can't be bothered to look up right at this very moment. Point is, the field has been narrowed down by a tiny margin. We no longer have 2 dozen candidates to keep track of which is a relief. I'm just hoping for somebody that can kick Trump's ass at this point. I'm sick of the way things are and are going and stuff has got to change. Yes, dems do a lot of infighting but so do republicans as well. We get more done when we work together but that isn't likely to happen for awhile.

    The reality is that we have a very divided country that needs to be healed. Whoever wins the democratic nomination needs to have enough common sense to be able to speak across the aisle. Most Americans, while they may vote dem or republican are out here, having issues, and they need somebody in office who is going to try to get shit done. I don't know how, I don't know when, but something has to change.

    This election is probably the most important election in our lifetime. The reason it is so important is because our nation, our national security, our democracy, everything is at stake. Like Kamala said, justice is on the ballot, equality is on the ballot. This is why if you live in the United States and are of voting age, y'all need to get out there and vote in November 2020. Your vote does matter, even if you think it doesn't, it DOES!

    I've talked to a few people IRL who say that "politics doesn't affect them." Uh, yes it does. It affects me, it affects minorities civil rights, LGBTQ rights, the list goes on. Democracy will be on the ballot in November of 2020. We simply cannot afford another 4 years of a dumpster fire administration like the one we got now. It has to end. It just does. I agree that nothing will probably come out of the impeachment inquiry. That being said, this is why the American people must go out and vote next year. Do we want another 4 years of Putin's bitch or do we want our country back? I don't know about y'all but I want my country back. Not that it was never ever perfect. Government, yes even the USA government is/has been corrupt as fuck. Point is, are you willing to take a stand? I am.
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    Agreed Bakura, and it's not even just your country; he's destabilising the whole world!
    Also, didn't know Kamala had dropped out. I knew she was sinking but didn't think she was going to jump out that quickly...sadly it seems that there's always more wanting to come aboard...Bloomberg, really? Does he think that dropping almost $60 million in ads is what's going to get him the presidency? Didn't he learn anything from the last rich dude who tried that? Well, even Bernie is a millionaire now so what do I know? :p 
     
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    I agree with everything you have said here.

    Yeah, Bloomberg isn't going to make it very far. On top of that, he is planning on skipping the first few major states (like Iowa) to run his campaign. Big mistake. He's very out of touch and I don't think he's got what it takes. He's another idiot who is going to fall down harder than a tower of Jinga bricks. I don't see him going far in my opinion. He won't get the support he needs because he's skipping crucial states that could help him. Just dumb. dumb as hell. 0.o

    You're right, Trump is screwing up the world. He's (supposedly) the leader of the free world and that by itself is quite terrifying. Bernie is a millionaire but he's at least willing to stand up for America. We can no longer play it safe. Playing "safe" is what got Donald Trump elected! The days of "playing it safe" are OVER! We need somebody who is a bold progressive who can go in and (maybe) put things back to the way they were or at the very least, restore our fucking sanity! Will they fix everything overnight? Oh hell no. The government was long fucked up way before Trump scammed his way into his office. He's just merely exploiting an already broken system and making it worse.

    Bloomberg is a hypocrite. Nobody will vote for a candidate, or rather nobody with a brain would vote for BLoomberg just for dropping wads of cash on bullshit adds. Gonna take more than pretty words to change this already fucked up mess we're in. I don't know what the answer is, but anything (besides BLoomberg or Trump) is better than the fucktards in office right now.
     
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    Mostly Bloomberg is going to take in rats from sinking ships (people working for other candidates who are pulling out and trying to get somewhere like it works by osmosis or something...)
    I have to say, as much as I like the Obama/Biden memes Biden is clueless (and creepy) as hell so I'm worried about him being in the lead. Warren is too "let's try to not alienate anyone by trying (and failing) to make everyone happy". Plus the way she speaks makes me think she's keeping more hidden than she's showing...Buttigieg and Booker are more cute than useful and I don't even know the name or anyone else running, which kind of says a lot...which leaves Bernie, which personally I think screams too much and plans too little but he seems to be the lesser evil (and he has AOC in his corner, which strangely gives him some credibility in my eyes).

    Of course me being European none of this matters because I don't get a vote but yeah, underwhelming choices to put it mildly...
     
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    I personally like Elizabeth Warren. I think she's one of the more authentic candidates as is Bernie. I am kind of torn between her and Bernie to support. I also think that Biden is very clueless but to be honest, he's a lot better than the orange asshole in office now. I don't know to be honest. Anyone at this point is better than the orange fucktard in office. I like Pete aka Edgyboot and Booker, they're ok. Again, anyone is better than the orange fucktard we have now. And of course there's his assmonkies....oi vey...
     
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    I can't really see Booker holding out in the race too much longer. His RCP average is hanging at 2%, and so far he has failed to qualify for the debate in December. His campaign even pleaded for donations in late September. In my opinion, his voice along with Kamala Harris's is much more needed in the Senate right now than on the campaign trail.

    Buttigieg, however, is something of a rising star in the race as he recently surpassed the 10% average polling threshold. Even with this though, he can't easily win with such low support among black voters.
     
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    I'm not from America, but I feel the right wing will be more popular in America, just like in the UK. So a republican candidate I think is gonna win or something.
     
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    I worry that only a few "swing states", like Pennsylvania and Florida, will decide the winner of 2020, and that once again the American popular vote will be irrelevant because some egghead strategists figured out how to exploit the best data.

    In other words, the vast majority of votes have already been counted - we "know" how California and Texas are gonna vote; most of the Midwest will be Republican and most of the West Coast and upper East coast will be Democrat.

    If 2020 is decided, AGAIN, by a handful of votes in some small counties - due to the electoral college system - I am gonna... gonna...

    well I guess that depends on who wins.
     
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    We need to return to the way it was for most of the 20th century up until 1992. The incumbent vice president was always the nominee of his respective party after that party's president stepped down. If that nominee lost then and only then would his party nominate another candidate.
    This idea of having 12 and more primary candidates is counter productive as well as a waste of valuable time. Tweeting should be banned because it is so unprofessional.
    The president should be required to be PRESIDENTIAL. No more name calling and SCREED. Pundits should be replaced by investigative reporters. The long lost art of journalism should be revived. Political newspaper columnists should be required to write according to a higher standard than the third grade level. Michelle Malkin's columns are a prime example of the INANE and supremely SILLY substandard writing so prevalent in newspapers today. She is by far the most intellectually lazy demagogue that ever walked the planet. Back through most of the 20th century up until 1992 we had a far higher college level standard of newspaper writing. The art of writing requires more work than trolling the internet until one finds a political blog to rant about. Then the editors wonder why people quit reading newspapers??? They blame the internet when they should look in the mirror.
     
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    I couldn't agree more - but this can all be summed up as:

    "Americans should be REQUIRED to be more intelligent."

    Or, "Americans should be REQUIRED to think beyond their narrow, short-term, tribal interests, and educate themselves at a higher standard to carry out their civic duties."

    Good luck with that.


    Them's some fighting words ! But blaming the Internet is justified to an extent. Few newspapers can compete in an environment where so many people get their "information" from social media feeds, which don't distinguish between quality investigative journalism versus click bait by any generic dumbass blogger. "Viral" content that whips up emotions wins out over nuanced argument and respect for evidence.

    Yet high standards aren't dead. I can think of at least a dozen news sources, in the US and in Europe, that I trust first and foremost for the quality of reporting, writing and editing, rather than out of partisan agreement.

    But who reads these ? People with educations, and evil "elites".

    As for Malkin - well that just leads us to the Alex Jones/Fox News universe of Alternative Facts. Don't even get me started.
     
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    I had to laugh at Michelle Malkin's newspaper column today. She doesn't have a modest bone in her body. She continually patted herself on the back whilst crowing about how she is one of the best writers in America. Even if she does say so herself. She continually says this true because she has been syndicated for 20 years. It appears she grew weary from waiting for someone else to sing her praises. When that did not happen she decided to do it herself.
     
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    The reason there are so many Democratic primary candidates is because so many Democrats believe they can beat Trump -- and I think most of them are right about that. On the other hand, I believe a true progressive like Sanders or Warren can do better than an establishment Democrat -- especially Biden. People voted for Trump because they wanted change; they were willing to take a chance on a reality show buffoon because the presidents they'd had -- from both parties -- never delivered on the better lives they promised.

    Since both parties were owned lock, stock, and barrel by moneyed interests, that's not at all surprising. What they got with Trump was total pay-to-play politics, as everything the Republicans have done over the past three years was clearly aimed at making the super-rich even richer -- beginning with the massive tax giveaway to the corporations and their major stockholders.

    What we're seeing in the Democratic primary is a showdown between the establishment (unbridled capitalist exploitation with a few "liberal" programs that scatter crumbs to labor, women, and minorities) and the party's long-repressed progressive wing (government supported health care, higher education and preschool; serious investment in infrastructure, fighting climate change, and other social goods; strengthening labor unions; and genuinely progressive taxation to pay for it all, relieving the corporate thieves of some of their ill-gotten gains.

    Trump's biggest weakness is that he is a very significant source of stress: Americans are tired of all the constant drama Trump seems to revel in. They want to be taken care of -- and even if they don't want to call it "socialism," a government that goes much further to take care of them is what they long for more than ever.
     
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